Sex and Christianity
Okay so tonight at my home church there was a speaker who came in to talk about sex and Christianity. Basic points were made.
- Romans 12:2
- If a person has already had sex, God forgives (secondary virgin)
- "Real loves waits" --> 1 Corinthians 13 "Love is Patient" (Lust says "now")
- Law of Harvest
- 1 apple seed --> 1000s apple trees every year (1 seed multiplies indefinitely)
- if you saw anger, you will get back 1000x over (Hoseah 8:7)
- somwhere in 2 Corinthians --> If you sow little, you harvest little
- Galatians 6:7 --> What you plant, you will reap
- God says "Sow to the Spirit", you will reap spiritual/godly things
- when we sow outside God's plan ... STDs
- two virgins who get married never get STDs
- It's not God punishing us, but us misusing our sexuality
- Sex is valuable. When you treat it as something special, you get treated well.
- For example, drinking from a water bottle vs drinking water from a crystal glass. A water bottle is something normal. You see it everyday, and is not seen as something of value. A $95 crystal glass is precious. It is valuable, you must take care of it, you must not take advantage or you may lose/break it. In the same way, if you treat sex as something casual, then people will treat you as a "casual thing". But if you hold onto sex as a valuable thing, people will see that you are something more than "casual" and you are worth it. Sex is something special, and you are willing to hold onto it and take care of it because it is not something you want to lose/get rid of.
- one time is all you need to get a STD. Ex. this one girl had sex one time when she was 17, and was diagnosed with AIDS at age 23 and died. (not that concise, a little more dramatic, but the main gist of it). Moral: symptoms may be dormant, especially because she is female (the recipient) so it may not be present till it is too late. and it only takes ONE TIME!
- Dating
- If you start dating at 14, your heart will get broken an average of 23 times
- If you start dating at 16, your heart will be broken an average of 8 times
- If you start dating at 19, your heart will break an average of 3 times.
My question(s) are:
- Is there a difference between being sexually active before coming to Christ, and having already accepting Christ and going out to "Try sex"? I mean, God forgives regardless, but do you (personally) think there is a difference in level of severity of sin, or is sin sin?
To clarify further, if you have sex because you don't believe in God thus His rules don't apply to you vs. disobeying "The rules" to experiment.
(edit) I found like the perfect quote to describe the above question. okay, more like the quote came to me:
The tragedy of life and of the world is not that men do not
know God; the tragedy is that, knowing Him, they still insist on going their
own way.
-- William Barclay
posted by Loey at 2:43 a.m.
8 Comments:
*inhales with excitement* i can't wait until you post more~
i don't get why we can't take advantage of the glass~ a nice glass is nice no matter what.
what's the difference between knowingly doin' something wrong and unknowingly doin' something wrong when God will forgive you? iunno, that's such a jerk thing to do though. So, since i'm a believer of "sin is sin", it just makes me question a persons faith when they play the forgiveness game where they purposely sin assuming God will forgive. Is that what a follower of Christ does?
Maybe for something else but in the OT God gets uber mad at people living like whores.
agree with noc, one more thing is, trying out sex for me is like prostituting myself without getting paid. As enoch mentioned, God said so in the old testament, dont whore urself out, but be pure and wait on him. So as we are firm believers in Christ, and we love him, wouldn't we WANT to do as he says? knowing that it is all for the best interest of us?? Where's the love if u just gonna have sex with someone u only interested in having sex with but not develope a relationship and love them? We're called to love God and love our neighbours, if u just go out and try things, u neither loev God, because u knowingly disobeyed him, nor ur neighbours, because u take what is precious and pure to both of u and used it for pleasure only, not for love. So i dont see the point of trying out sex when the cost out weighs the benefit.
[quoting lei] trying out sex for me is like prostituting myself without getting paid [/quote]
loooool!!!!
anyway, on the one hand, I think that if somebody does something that they think is wrong but which really isn't, then it still counts as a sin. so by the same reasoning, one would think that if somebody does something they don't think is wrong but which really is, then it doesn't count as a sin... on the other hand, the bible says that we're all sinners, even unbelievers. that implies that even if the person doesn't believe that what they did was a sin, then it's still considered one and they're still accountable for their actions... so it's not that simple, I guess.
-Linna
(note: this is an edit, the original had funny pronoun errors in it.)
Did you mix up your first 2 points Linna??
I'm pretty sure that if I sexed someone without knowing it was a sin, it's still a sin. And sexing someone knowingly is also a sin.
I don't remember where but the bible says "Everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial"...it also says "People sin b/c they don't see the consequences now, but something something...you're gonna have a hard time when you see God face to face" hahaha something like that.
So I guess I can go out and do whatever I want. However, iunno 'bout y'all, but when I read OT I'm pissed scared of God. Or when Jesus destroys people. So if not outta my weak attempts to try to love God, I'll try to obey God outta fear.
Correct me if I'm wrong. My bible knowledge sucks :P
Eldon
1 Corinthians 6:12 and 1 Corinthians 10:23. My dad always tell me off using those versus, and it stuck with me. Good use of scripture Eldon, I'm blessed by what u said. It is natural to fear God, but as long as that's not all our relationship with him consist of. The love is the more important thing. That's one thing i'm a little shaky on, are we suppose to fear him and love him? How do we do that?
fear+love
the same way it's supposed to work with your parents (Although not always evident). you do things for them, they do things for you. out of love. and you recognize that. at the same time, they "punish" you because they care about you and are looking out for you. (out of love). you may not want to obey because they seem like stupid rules... but when things happen you realize the truth in what they say. as more and more things happen, you realize more of why they say the things they do. you in a way "fear" them because you realize that they know better than you, so you should listen to them and follow their rules....
i guess this sorta works better as young children... cuz i dont think many people fear their parents by this stage in life. correct me if i'm mistaken somewhere.
Wow, loaded discussion! Intense, intense:
---- Is there a difference between being sexually active before coming to Christ, and having already accepting Christ and going out to "Try sex"? I mean, God forgives regardless, but do you (personally) think there is a difference in level of severity of sin, or is sin sin? ----
There's no such thing as a 'hierarchy' of bad/less bad sin to God. There might seem to be an hierarchy for us, but sin is sin.
The difference between the two people is that one didn't know Christ at the time (but will later) and the other knows Christ now. In fact, if both people meet, that would be really cool! The previously sexually-active person can tell the 'thinking about sex' person how it's taken away so much of their lives and how they can never return back to sexual purity/innocence. It's something I've been realizing lately, how important your purity really is .. don't try to cross the line, just know that people have, and it's really not something that 'cool' to do.
Although sex is super duper sweet-tasticly cool when you're finally married with your beautiful/handsome wife/husband and you can honestly say, "I've waited for you, as true love waits, and God's just about to throw a wallop of insane fun for us". Well, okay, maybe not those exact words, but you get the idea. Don't even think about going into the territory and 'trying' things to gain more 'experience' or even to see 'how far' you can go without doing it .. it's really not worth it. Plus, generations upon generations upon generations of human beings have survived without any form of sexual education and they still have plenty of fun, enjoyment, and success in 'doing it'. My point is, you don't need to practice or even 'research' it, you WILL figure it out when you get there. Education about so-called 'safe-sex' is needed in our culture now because we've plastered messages that say, "It's okay to have sex, as long as you do it safely." Don't buy into the lie.
---- To clarify further, if you have sex because you don't believe in God thus His rules don't apply to you vs. disobeying "The rules" to experiment. ----
God's rules apply to everyone, even if you don't know Him. Again, the difference is that one person knows their Saviour, the other doesn't.
Plus, I think we all have enough problems with lusting after another person of the opposite gender - why implant yourself deeper into sin by acting it out? That's just allowing it to have another point of entry into your life.
" 11For there is no partiality with God.
12For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;
13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.
14For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
16on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus." -- Romans 2:11-16 NASB
thanks for the comment, chris... romans 2:11-16 really answered the uncertainties that I was having. :)
-Linna
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